Wait Till Green Man Turn Red Funny Street Sign
- toguy [OP]
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Right on red while oncoming traffic has a greenish arrow
So the other day, I was making a correct turn on a red light, while at the same fourth dimension, a van made a left turn from the oncoming left turn lane (was a green pointer for him I believe). The street that we were turning into had 4 lanes in total (two in each management). Every bit we entered our respective lanes from the turn, the guy in the van leaned on the horn. Was he just beingness an idiot, or should I have done something differently? Dorsum when I got my licence, there weren't very many of these flashing green/left plow signals around, but as far every bit I know, you are allowed to make a right turn when oncoming traffic has a green arrow for a left plow, correct? In my view, this is no different than making a right plow on a blood-red while a vehicle is travelling in left lane (i.e. going in the same direction). Each driver needs to respect the rules of the road as it pertains to making turns (left turn driver should end upwardly in the left lane, correct turn drover should cease up in the right lane). As long as these rules are followed, I don't encounter an issue. I know that at intersections where they have two lanes turning left, in that location is usually a 'no right on ruby' sign to prevent any collisions that could result from someone not realizing that ii lanes of oncoming traffic had a left turn betoken. Anyone agree/disagree?
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- Blueroom
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The van fabricated an improper wide plow. He'due south an ass.
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- thephenom
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He has advanced green, even if he turned a bit broad on the plough and striking you lot, it'll almost likely be a he-said, you-said war, BUT since he has avant-garde greenish, he has the right of way and you'll likely be at fault. If both your and his lite were greenish, the person making the right turn has the right of way. So lesson is, don't plough unless it's safe to practice so since you accept a cherry.
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- ells
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What Blueroom said. I run into this every day. Except during heavy traffic and both directions are usually backed upward. If y'all look for all the left-turners to pass, very trivial traffic would get through. In a single lane scenario you lot yield. In a double lane both vehicles can proceed being conscientious to not stray out of your lane. At present that is in theory. In practice I encounter people turn wide all the fourth dimension (they have an aversion to being in a left lane I approximate or else they can't pull the g's 
). I also see people yield to the left-turners. It is usually timid drivers. Within a few seconds of those timid drivers get a few gentle horn toots from the line up.
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- AcidBomber
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I usually expect until the advanced green cars finish their turns before i make my right turn. its but courtesy giving them more than room to maneuver.
dont really want to get into an accident because if the other commuter turns broad and drifts into my lane, and i'd be at fault for this if there were no witnesses because he/she had the advanced green.
especially if its winter and the road is glace.
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- ebmckay
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You're supposed to stay within your turning lane. No way you'd be at mistake if he hits you while he has advance dark-green unless you lot come into his lane.
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- chickibum
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So what if y'all're at an intersection, y'all have a green light and are making a left. The street you're making a left on to has iv lanes. The only other car is someone on the other side of the intersection making a right turn on to the aforementioned street that you're turning left on. Do you lot brand your turn or look for the other person to consummate their right turn?
Just curious, was driving with a friend the other day and she waited till the car was fully finished the plow and people from behind were honking. If I was driving I would have gone (there'southward four lanes, plenty of room if nosotros both stayed in our lanes), but just curious what you guys remember.
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- boheca
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toguy wrote: ↑So the other twenty-four hour period, I was making a correct turn on a cerise light, while at the aforementioned time, a van made a left turn from the oncoming left turn lane (was a green arrow form him I believe). The street that nosotros were turning into had four lanes in total (two in each direction). As we entered our corresponding lanes from the turn, the guy in the van leaned on the horn. Was he just being an idiot, or should I have done something differently? Back when I got my licence, at that place weren't very many of these flashing green/left turn signals around, but as far as I know, you are allowed to make a correct turn when oncoming traffic has a greenish pointer for a left plough, correct? In my view, this is no unlike than making a right turn on a red while a vehicle is travelling in left lane (i.e. going in the same direction). Each driver needs to respect the rules of the road every bit information technology pertains to making turns (left plow driver should end upwardly in the left lane, right turn drover should end upwards in the right lane). As long as these rules are followed, I don't see an issue. I know that at intersections where they accept ii lanes turning left, there is usually a 'no right on red' sign to prevent any collisions that could result from someone non realizing that 2 lanes of oncoming traffic had a left plow signal. Anyone agree/disagree?
I come up across this same state of affairs pretty often as I'm sure about drivers exercise as well...
technically I guess both cars can turn but why would you lot take a chance... information technology's pretty common for the motorcar turning left to go broad into the next lane...
you tin argue that it would be the other guys error because he turned wide just I'm pretty certain the insurance visitor would say yous would be partially at mistake if not completely at fault for turning when it wasn't safe...
either style I usually wait untill there are no cars turning or at least untill there is a gap where I'm non turning at the exact same time every bit the other automobile...
bottom line is they have a greenish calorie-free to turn left and y'all have a crimson low-cal... yes you tin turn right on a red but only when it's prophylactic and I don't think it would be safe if a car is turning at the verbal aforementioned time... we should all be driving defensively and that means to take measures to not put yourself at risk of a collision... taking a few moments to expect to turn is a lot improve that getting into a collision and arguing about who's fault it was...
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- Speedv1
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Legally the left turning driver has to end up in the left lane. I'm going to go with 60% or More don't follow this rule, and it drives me bonkers! lol. Just your turning right is legal, withal y'all would need to ostend that the driver is not going to make a wide plow - as you would be putting yourself right in forepart of them and unfortunately the fault may well be deferred onto you considering you lot didn't abide to the "proceed only when clear", fifty-fifty though the other party was illegal in the first place. In this situation I typically simply expect - it'due south similar ten seconds or and then, and I don't have some illegal idiot ram me and turn a profit. You didn't practise anything wrong OP, you were just unaware that nosotros live in an imperfect world :P. Just keep an eye out of for the terrible drivers - information technology sounds like you lot have many principles of driving downwardly.
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- toguy [OP]
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I knew I hadn't strayed into his lane at all, so his honking caught me completely by surprise. I then thought that peradventure he wanted to go into the right lane immediately due to a soon-approaching correct turn. Nope - he continued right forth in the left lane. Regarding what others take said above about taking precautions and yielding - I do this if in my judgment the driver appears to be driving fast or aggressively, which this commuter did not appear to be. Another signal is that you cannot always tell if there is an accelerate dark-green or not (that is, before cars take actually started turning). It may appear clear to me, I showtime to make my turn, then next thing yous know, I have a vehicle next to me.
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- appleb
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Perhaps he thought you lot weren't paying attention and you were going to spring into his lane, which is why he honked.
Other than that reason, he's just an asshat.
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- thrifthunter
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Possibly he was an ass, only at the same fourth dimension y'all need to be a defensive driver. Look until he finishes his turn and then become.
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toguy wrote: ↑I knew I hadn't strayed into his lane at all, so his honking defenseless me completely past surprise. I then thought that perhaps he wanted to become into the right lane immediately due to a soon-approaching right turn. Nope - he continued right forth in the left lane. Regarding what others accept said higher up virtually taking precautions and yielding - I practise this if in my judgment the driver appears to be driving fast or aggressively, which this driver did not appear to be. Another point is that you cannot e'er tell if there is an advance green or not (that is, before cars have really started turning). It may appear articulate to me, I start to brand my turn, and so next thing you know, I have a vehicle adjacent to me.
As other have said, you were ok OP simply yous know I was wondering at that place have been times where I was actually waiting and post-obit PROCEED when clear but what if there's an idiot behind your car and request you to make a right turn?
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- blibbertibs
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chickibum wrote: ↑So what if you're at an intersection, you lot have a green light and are making a left. The street you're making a left on to has four lanes. The merely other motorcar is someone on the other side of the intersection making a right plough on to the same street that you're turning left on. Do you make your turn or await for the other person to complete their right turn?
Just curious, was driving with a friend the other day and she waited till the motorcar was fully finished the turn and people from behind were honking. If I was driving I would have gone (there'southward four lanes, plenty of room if we both stayed in our lanes), simply just curious what you guys think.
In this case, I believe left turners never accept right of way (if both sides are green). I got honked this morn and the street I was turning onto was only ii lanes. I don't care if they honk considering if I get into an accident due to the right turner going wide, then i'll nearly likely exist deemed 100% at fault.
All the same, if you lot're turning onto a 4 lane street, so it should be pretty safe to make that left turn.
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- rems
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I think the issue arises if that person who has the avant-garde left turn wants to get to the far correct lane and then they tin can turn on the first street on the right. Practise yous gun it and arrive front of the car that turned correct or do you wait to get backside and mayhap agree upwards the people turning left behind you?
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- SoroSuub1
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Brand the turn left and put your right turn signal on correct away mid-turn, but move into the left lane. Switch lanes when safety.
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- rems
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SoroSuub1 wrote: ↑Make the turn left and put your right plough signal on correct away mid-plough, but motility into the left lane. Switch lanes when prophylactic.
Yes but what if the street is immediately afterward the turn. The car turning correct will filibuster that safety lane switch which might cause you to miss your street or concord up the cars turning left if you look for the clearing (ie not speeding upward)
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- umop
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rems wrote: ↑Yes simply what if the street is immediately after the plough. The machine turning correct will delay that prophylactic lane switch which might cause you to miss your street or hold upwardly the cars turning left if you expect for the clearing (ie non speeding up)
Find another route since there'due south no style you lot can legally complete the maneuver.
Back to the topic at hand, similar others have said, in a perfect world, yous should exist able to make your right in that situation. Just feel will testify you that a lot of drivers turn broad, so it's ofttimes safer to expect.
This brings upward another question. If you make a right on a red while oncoming traffic has an advance-dark-green, and the person turning left turns wide and y'all collide, who'll exist at fault? The left-turning person bankrupt the police force (not supposed to turn wide) and there's no reliable method for you to determine which cars will turn wide. Are we supposed to assume every commuter will turn wide? At that place's no reason for you to assume that unless you've been driving for a while and in urban areas. Are people who bulldoze infrequently or in rural areas going to exist let off if they get into a collision this mode? What if the road nosotros're turning onto is 3 or 4 lanes wides? Practise we still wait? Where do yous draw the line?
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- vero95
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umop wrote: ↑Find some other route since there'southward no way y'all tin legally consummate the maneuver.
Back to the topic at hand, like others have said, in a perfect world, you should be able to brand your correct in that situation. Just experience will show you lot that a lot of drivers plough wide, so it's often safer to wait.
This brings upwardly another question. If you make a right on a blood-red while oncoming traffic has an advance-light-green, and the person turning left turns wide and you collide, who'll be at fault? The left-turning person broke the law (not supposed to turn wide) and at that place's no reliable method for you to make up one's mind which cars will turn wide. Are we supposed to presume every commuter will plow wide? There'due south no reason for you lot to assume that unless you've been driving for a while and in urban areas. Are people who drive infrequently or in rural areas going to exist let off if they get into a standoff this way? What if the route we're turning onto is 3 or 4 lanes wides? Practise we still await? Where do yous draw the line?
in that scenario, the car turning left has right of way. the automobile turning right has to yield to the car turning left no affair how wide this turn is
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- shakermaker
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boheca wrote: ↑
either fashion I unremarkably wait untill there are no cars turning or at least untill at that place is a gap where I'm not turning at the exact aforementioned fourth dimension as the other car...
this is what I practice
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